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Thanks Russ for the input ,now you made me realize that soap will not help me install the rubber 131 501 191 stop, because what it whatever popped over is all gone rusted. I have a bottom plate where the stop sits on but nothing where the stop pop's over. Know what I mean? I have not had my coffee yet. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/