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an impact wrench takes them right off... and wont rotate the flywheel. but DONT use it to torque it back on! Keith What if you have an automatic? You can't use a KYMCO tool on them, as theres no teeth for the tool to work. Bob 65 Notch S Sue 70 Fasty Auto ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe