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On 11 May 2001, at 0:08, Ginger D.&Peter P. wrote: > Phillip wouldn't start trying to leave work this eve. > Turned the key, no trouble lights in ON, and nothing in START > position. But the clock was ticking, and the radio turned on. So I > pocked around under the dash, and tried again; both trouble lights > came on, but in START nothing, and the radio stopped and the clocked > stopped ticking. The VR doesn't need to be grounded for the starter and the rest of the electrics to work; it DOES need to be grounded to make the charging work properly once the engine is running. It you clearly have a bad connection somewhere and most of your description would point to a battery connection, either + or _, but in that case I wouldn't expect the clock and radio to work. Check your battery posts first. Then check the other ends of the wires. Make sure all the post connections are all the way down on the posts, but DON'T HAMMER them down. Use a voltmeter to check for voltage between different points until you find the unintended voltage drop. - Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711-3054 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org