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Yeah, the shifters (AT vs MT) are in the same location, but the base unit (with the PRNDL in it) for the automatic is considerably larger. It is maybe 4 inches wide by 8 inches long. The "throw" of the shifter is also greater on the automatic, I believe. Later, John Jaranson '71 FI Auto Fasty (Jane) http://hometown.aol.com/jaransonT3 ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org