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My 2cents worth on this subject.... dragging the dead horse out of the barn to kick around a bit more. I am a Darksider...... not as nice a set of wheels as Toby... but I still pay homage to Darth Vader. Both Toby and myself run the Pertronics AND Jacob's System. One thing that I think has not been pointed out as of yet is the small increase in usable horsepower one gains from using Pertronics. It is due to the proper dwell angle being all ready set into the manufacture of the unit, not to mention gap and such. I have seen many installs of this unit butchered and I do not know why. There are several even on this list that I have recommended Pertronics to, and they purchased another brand FOR MUCH LESS and think they have gotten the same thing. The $35 units out there, to include EMPI's, have a failure rate of at least 65%. This is based on a test run by a Type III club of 14 units. They just fail in the electronics part. The person installing any of these kits HAS to read the instructions and understand them too. There is nothing wrong with reading them several times to understand them. They are VERY simple to follow, but must be done as explained by the manufacturer instructions. The number of questions I see come across this page about obvious every day things that are in any of the manuals, means to me that people are basically to lazy to open the book in the first place. Now, if that person cannot open the book for themselves, then how could they begin to understand the theory of installing the electronic ignition parts properly. I am not showing disrespect or ragging on anyone, but this is a fact that cannot be ignored. In any electronics or mechanical support job I have ever had, people that call in without their manual are requested to get it and call back later. My final thought on the Pertronics unit is that it is the best of its type out there. I have never seen one fail, except for poor installation. The one thing one must remember, the rotor sits to high on the cam shaft inside the distributor after the kit is installed on a FI system. The rotor must be cut .25 inchs at its bottom to not contact the distributor cap. On a 009, it does not have to be cut. Well, now that I have inflamed many of you on the list here, please think about what I have said here for a bit before you reply. Of course, you can just write it all off to a crazy old guy that has breathed way to much clutch dust in his day. Keep them on the road, Pat@volksclocks ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org