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Well all, I changed out the old voltage regulator(made in germany) and put in one from my shelf(made in mexico), and the problem is all gone and cleared up. Dave, the generator came with the car when I bought so it didn't have a warranty, and the orginal regulator that came with the car(12v) had a big dent in the cover so I changed it before I started driving the car. At about $20 US for a new Bosch Iwould have put in a new one, but I had about 3 used ones hidding in the garage (we own several ac vws so I need a spare or 2). Thanks for all of your support and the things to check. Bob 65 Notch S Sunroof with 12volts ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org