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The shape of the Ghia trim estucheon was a rounded point diamond shape oriented horizontaly. That is when they were moved to the doors, from the fenders. So I think it would be from a Beetle. John La Francois 65 Notch S (Nub) 67 Beetle (Bailey) 98 Jetta (Wolfgang) Russ Wolfe wrote: Yes, they used the black ones, but if I remember right, they were used on the type-1, or was it the Ghia's? The T-3's only came with the flat clear plastic like washers. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe