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VW still has a test socket, it's just more developed :) My Jetta is OBDI and I have a (testing memory here...) 4 prong socket in the front dash (hidden by trim, of course). The stealership plugs in their hand-held device and can read all the diagnostic trouble codes that the engine management system has logged! The Bentley, bless it's heart, even has a table so you can cipher the flashes of the Check Engine light if you want to check the codes yourself at home. Also, by holding down the odometer button and turning the key to the ON position, then off, then ON or START again (still holding down the odometer button) the clock will turn into a mini-diag tool. There are seven settings that can be found by pushing the odometer button, like a digital tachometer and the number of revolutions the tire is rotating! For around $160 you can even buy the cable and Windows-based software to check the codes and reset stuff yourself (great for the independent mechanic!). I don't know what ODBII holds but a lot of the car manufacturers have diag plug in points to assist in engine work. Unfortunately, MANY mechanics rely ONLY on the diags and make decisions by what the book says instead of performing a little detective work. The mighty stealership profit dollar at work :( Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com <-- Please use this address for email '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L, Berg five-speed '95 VW Jetta III GL 2.0L, P-Chipped, Jamex sport suspension Portland, Oregon, http://www.icbm.org/ >-----Original Message----- >They continued the test socket right on in the bugs, type 4's, and the >water cooled cars. I don't know for sure when they finally >discontinued it >completely, I am thinking sometime in the early '80's. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe