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I had the opportunity to spend some time around a very high quality type 4 wagon this summer...as nice as it was, and it was immacualte, it was still ugly. Of course, most say that about my Notch too...oh well -- Brian-- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/8328/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org