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A little punctuation/capitolization would make this a lot easier to read and understand. ;-) sorry jim i will try a little harder ! there are no door pins fitted to my car just a little lever fitted next to the door opening handle inside. with the way that the rear window channel is designed i guess this makes my car reasonably difficult to break into. apart from the vent windows! neil verdon 66 sqr on irs pan best among equals rise to the top. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe