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Gotcha. Yeah, they look T4, I didn't realize they had the T3 engine. Why don't we just call them the Type B? :) heheheh Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com (This is my preferred address) >-----Original Message----- >... Why, Toby? Is this based on the styling cues? > > Most all of them (except the Brasilia) have Type III pancake >engines. The floorpans are Type III in some cases, Type I in >other cases... ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org