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The reason for the the > difference on the front, is to put the bleeder at the top. (I won't say > nipple like Dave) :=} Do you mean to imply that over there where the King's English is spoken, they should be called "Bleeding Nipples"? :-) Tom check out my site at http://home.att.net/~drsowatt/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org