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they are right about that temp chart. being from wyoming i can relate(just as cold as the rest of the north). i dont know how many times ive gone out on a 30 degree day with a flannel shirt and no jacket and been comfortable*LOL*. 20 degree days only require a light jacket. anything colder and its time for the winter coat*L*. and yes we do drive with the windows down on 40 degree days(its still 100 degrees in the car on a sunny day unless the temp drops below 40). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/