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this method is hit and miss unless you have a good ear and can tell the diference,s in the sucking noises. and as the haynes manual says you will be overtaken by mopeds if you get them out. you could make a sync meter quite easy with a clear biro and a small plastic ball and a can with holes in the top that you could put tape on if required . just a thought. neil verdon 66 sqr on irs pan best among equals rise to the top. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/