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please bare in mind simon i was only there for the saturday the meet went on from thursday to sunday and lots of people like me only went for a visit so to speak but while i was there very sadly i did not see a panel van. there was a very early notch that was nice mind . neil verdon 66 sqr on irs pan best among equals rise to the top. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org