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i figured they are louder than a stock type3 exhaust in good shape. ive herd what a T3 sounds like with a good stock muffler. there really isn't much to hear*L* they are silent. though like many VWs they can be quite loud when the muffler gets rusty. i dont think ive ever herd a bug that was really quiet*L* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe