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RE: to Vibration, hesitation - READ THIS!"


This was from LEON MARTINEZ - I found this to be very helpful.

All the problems I show you
happened all at the same time among other serious ones.

EFI :::

1. Serious vibration problems (I had many different
types ). Does it vibrate in idle or only upon
acceleration or during high speeds ?

A. Mine vibrated
in low speeds too, in addition to high speeds .
In low speeds I found that one of my injectors was
not firing and the second one fired sometimes, at times
I only had two cylinders firing, all other times I had
three cylinders running slow freeway speeds (max 60mph)
with much vibration.

To find problem I disconnected each injector during
idle and found one that did not affect the vibration
more (just like pulling dist cap wires) . The one that
was not affecting the engine had a break inside the
wire connection. The other wire I found by bending
the wire until it began to fail badly.

To fix these I had to go to the VW dealership with
the connection and wires. To separate the wire or
spade from the plastic plug, I had to push a needle
or pin into the slot in the plug and pull or push
the spade out. The dealership sold me two spades
with one foot wire attached for a couple a bucks.
The plasic connector was about three bucks(bare no
wires). I replaced all wires and their connectors
to the injectors. The rubber boot is no longer available
but it is available through Porsche (914?), Mercedes
1975 (luxery with v8) or 1973 Volvo ( staight six cars
or 244 sraight four) all with D-Jetronic. For exact model
ask a mechanic that is an expert of each of these,
then go to the dealership and order them. West coast metric
may have these too.

That is it for the injectors wiring.


B. Vibration at high speeds , even during just gassing
it in neutral (no tranny connection).

I found this very annoying but it is the most major
problem for all of us with EFI. The problem mostly shows
up during highway speeds.

I found part of the problem when I pulled each injector
and pumped each injector manually. Does your car have the gas
pump feature? You can hear clicks when key is on and the
engine is on while you manually turn the trottle at the
manifold. I got an injector at the opposite cylinder that
was "clicking". Two cylinders always inject at the same time
these are "1" and "4" at the same time and "2" and "3".
Choose the pair that is clicking at that moment. Pull
both injector pairs and put both in jars pump the throttle
several times to see the injector patterns of both
pump faster and faster each time to see if the cut off
at higher speeds happens turn the engine a little until
the other pair is activated , do the same.

Did you see any get less spray ? Did you see any cut
off when quickly making pulses? If you do not have the
pump feature remove the distributor and turn it back and
forth very quickly to see if spray cutoff happen.

I found all my injectors cutoff when pumping very fast.
I purchased Python rebuilt brand and found that each
one flowed differently in a graduated test tube.
A couple cut off at higher speeds, I returned them several
times and gave up the quality was not good. I never
installed them, most peoplle would not test but would
install them and would not know that they were bad until
they got worse. I bought rebuilt one from Bret
instruments and three new ones from Bosch (experimenting)
and I found that they flowed a lot and all exactly the same.
The flow rate exeeded all injectors I have tried before.
I installed them and wow what a difference and it was also
smooth. 

The loss of flow is caused by solids that are not soluble
in fuel injector cleaner (micro fine sand, dirt that got
through the screen including a chunk of corrosion).
The high speed cutoff is caused by the pentle scraping
the side of the inside of the injector. The gouged pentle
and "tube" create friction during higher speeds and
slow down or get stuck completely. This is very common,
more than everyone thinks.

I understand you have two yellow injectors and two black
injectors . As I understand, the black injectors are the
original ones that came with the car they are 30 years old.
The yellow ones are the ones you buy at the dealer. the
tips of the new ones have a plastic cover to help
with the spray pattern and protect the tip.
I think you may have a problem with old injectors that
are either dirty or gouged or both.
The injectors if used heavily (lots of driving, I drive
140 miles per day) will last 5 years or 10 years with
normal driving until they are rebuilt at BRET INSTRUMENTS
or replaced with new ones from BOSCH.

C. The other scenario of vibration that started to
get noticed little by little during high speeds was
caused by the injector points, located in the
distributor. The grease in the injector points was
30 years old and was turning into glue. At slow speeds
the points turn the injectors on and off at proper
times and at high speeds the points start to float
open at random times. This causes much vibration
at different speeds and sometimes they steady out
and then change. This happens at higher speeds
and works in city driving. The reason for this
is because the grease gets so thick with age that
the points (efi points that is) open and close
slowly and at higher movement they stay open randomly.

To fix this, I removed the points, checked the
movement and found that they were not closing
crisply. I cleaned them by leaving them in solvent
 or kerosene. I moved them until I loosened them.
Dried them and placed the proper drop of oil on the
hinge and also greased the cam rubbing blocks
with lithium or cam grease. I reinstalled them
and the high speed missing stopped completely.

D. Another cause of missing was a randomely
faulty pressure sensor. The missing happened
even to the point of bogging. This was caused by
the original sensor that still held vacume
perfectly . I adjusted it for more richness
and corrected many missing instances. Though
the missing was much less than that vibration I
experienced, it was caused by the sensor.
As soon as I tried a junkyard unit the car
the problem was completely corrected. I
purchased a new one and the engine has
worked for over a year.

E. After placing the engine back in after
an egine disaster I did something bad.
I did not install my flexplate in my
automatic tranny properly and after
a few months, my engine seemed to vibrate
but it seemed to shake my car. This lasted
until I broke my flexplate and replaced it .
I put a wrong gland nut in it and broke it again.
Finally did it right again.


All my vibration problems were either overlapping
or at the same time or a little after each fix.
This was a nightmare that ended.

The fixes should last another 20 years but a carb
rebuild on cars are every six months to a year,
depending on driving condition.


If you have any questions, please ask, I know I
have given you a lot and I may have not explained it
clearly but I can clearify each item you may ask.
All of this and more has happened to me. You must
understand that these electrical items are 30+
years old and have to fail. Some carbs this old
have been discarded long ago, sometimes. If you
cannot correct this try to find someone near
by that can help you or do it. If you lived near
by I would have swapped out my stuff with your's
until we found the bad item or items. IF you
spend on a new carb kit, you can put
the money into many items in the EFI. If you
change the EFI to carbs, I would like to buy
the EFI system for another engine I am building in
the future.


LEON MARTINEZ

1969 SQUAREBACK EFI/AUTO

SAN DIEGO AND TIJUANA


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