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Well all, I've received several emails privately off list asking me about my Type4 motor conversion into my 'Notch. Letters go from -"hey dude.. you car is kewl - tell me everything you did to get this engine into your car !! I want to go kick some butts out on the boulevard" to "I am very interested and would like whatever feedback you've got" So, for everyone involved... here we go....... ( some of this letter is quoted verbatim to a letter I sent to flat4robb@aol.com... the names have been changed to protect the innocent..;) << motor and trans real cheap is this a viable option for a 70' square ? >> is this a viable option ?........hmmmmm....... I get this question posed to me quite often. I guess a lot of it depends on your resources. Yes, the motor ( physically - the block ) will bolt right up. Is the motor out of a 914 or a bus ? did you get any tin ? There will need to be some small modifications to the tin either way. You're going to learn all about the wiring schematic on your square ( as the t4's use an alternator ) I spent the majority of last weekend pulling new wires and kind of building a new wiring loom from the alt to the regulator. Ummm... let's see..... ah, intake manifolds... I had a set built for me by a company in California so that the carbs would still fit under the decklid - not cheap - and - it was only the second set of these manifolds that they had made - the other set was for a HotVW's article back in '89 - your only other option is to use type4 manifolds and leave the decklid off as they stick up too far ( or maybe try to retrofit the FI - if your square is FI then this is a VERY viable alternative ! ). Exhaust..... nothing.. and I mean NOTHING is made to fit ! nobody sells type4 ( 411/412 ) performance exhaust's and the bus exhausts fit but you have to shorten the Jpipes - or heater boxes if you really -REALLY want heat - but then you'll have to find a way to make them work - my notch is a "summer only" car so I didn't worry about heater boxes - and yes - I used a bus exhaust. Flywheel and clutch are stock bus parts - 215mm - but you have to have the flywheel modified ( have a bearing pressed into the center of the flywheel - to support the input shaft from the gearbox ), throwout bearing is different but fits. You'll need to fabricate engine hanger brackets. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to talk you out of this !! it's just not a weekend - bolt-in sort of thing - nor - not for the faint of heart. No cutting of stock sheet metal is required. If you need any assistance feel free to get ahold of me - I'll be glad to help - just realize what you're getting into. I took this entire winter to do my project - it also helps to have an extra case w/ P's & C's and heads on it ( empty - no crank etc. ) to bolt in the car to do "fittings" with. That's where I am right now - I have about 8 or 9 type4 motors sitting around in storage and I just pulled an empty case - slapped some empty cylinders on it w/ some junk heads and bolted it in to fit the exhaust and engine hanger brackets. I just took my case that I'm going to build for the car - to the polisher yesterday - I'm going to have him polish the top of the case - only the part you can see with the decklid up. << just came into a 2.0 914 motor and trans real cheap >> the gearbox is good for nothing to us - you may be able to sell it to a bus guy or a dunebuggy guy - but it's of no use to a type3. A better option is to go through and strengthen your stock gearbox as the ratios are very favorable for this kind of swap. I put in heavy duty 1st & 2nd ( all stock gearing ) welded 3rd & 4th and put in extra spider gears and a beef-a-diff. Also the cases are durn near indestructible - I usually degrease them and then have the outside of the case blasted with steel shot. I'm just waiting for the case to came back from the polisher and I still need to finish welding my Jpipes - they need to be shortened an inch to get the bus exhaust to tuck in behind the apron. I think that this pretty much outlines what's involved. If anyone has any further questions - either post to the list or email me. Dan 65 Notch ( with Type4 POWER ) 65 Bug my65notch@aol.com http://users.aol.com/my65notch/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/