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There's an item available for hire here in New Zealand that allows you to get the car with the underside at about 75 degrees to the ground. It attaches to the wheel nuts of the car and is powered by a battery driver - basically it seems to be a screw jack in a quarter round. Is this the type of thing that US listees are trying to describe? If it sounds likely, I can get the brochure, scan it and make Adobe Acrobat files if anyone is interested. Steven Carpinter ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe