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Well Im one of the ones with them FS. NOS are really the quietest IF they are the German ones and the flow rate is good IF they are the late kind with the larger outlet and have the single peice tailpipe. Mine has both and includes the NOS tailpipe for $125 The German ones also fit without the need for a major beating with a rubber mallet!! Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/