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"Erkson, Toby" wrote: > These are plastic, not cardboard wrapped in aluminum foil, big difference. > Those aluminum ones are also lousy for directing the air from the fan > housing to the heat exchanger. I use fiberglass impregnated carb pre-heat > hose for that junction. I used some that were just thick aluminum foil, no cardboard when I installed the single turbo muffler. It has hold up at least 10,000 kms. If I don't remember wrong, this one was made by "Gates Automaster" (don't think Bill is into this one) in a regular 2" size. No, I didn't throw away the stock heater elbows or the small heat exchangers for the rear cylinders nor the rusted out stock muffler and finally no, these parts are NOT for sale! PerL 73 Variant L ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org