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Bill, Being back from a four-week Home Leave vacation in Milwaukee and elsewhere stateside, I am energized enough to answer this. I reused the metal inserts on my T3 windows and had excellent luck with them. The trick I found was that you just need a little patience, gentle touch and applied common sense to get them out of the old window rubber and put into the new window rubber. Basically, follow these steps: Take window, rubber and metal trim out in one piece. CAREFULLY remove the metal from the rubber. (I only use my bare hands to do this. Start where the two half pieces meet each other in the middle top or middle bottom of the window. Remove the short metal trim "connectors" that connect the trim pieces together. Gently peel back the rubber while gently tugging the metal trim from its slot. Picture this: Sit on a comfortable chair with the window standing upright on your lap. Then start prying. Do it gently. Once you get impatient and pull too hard, you will kink the metal trim. Remove the other metal trim in the same manner. Store both pieces and the connectors in a safe, FLAT place where nothing will be set on top of them. Only now remove the window rubber from the window. Clean the window. Stretch the new window rubber (I step on one end while trying to tug it over my head.) Stretching it will ensure that the corners are full and not pulled tight. Lubricate the new window rubber. USE TALCûòe R FOR LUBRICATION. It lasts longer, is not messy and works just as well if not better than any liquid. Install the window rubber onto the window. Make sure the window rubber is installed properly onto the window. Get the trim pieces and...this may sound kinky...put the windshield on some pillows on your bed. Why? the pillows hold the window up off of the rubber and horizontal. Besides, there usually are no sharp objects or heavy things on a bed that could fall and crack your windshield. Grab a trim piece and begin inserting it into the window rubber. I gently pry open the slot and then push the trim piece into it at about 2" at a time. I don't remember if I started at a corner or at the end. Try both ways. GENTLY push it in as far as it will go. Once in, it will stay. Put on the connectors and install the window. I have installed several windows in this manner and all of them look excellent. Never once have I dented the metal trim or had it pop out during installation in nightmarish fashion. Try it. Be patient, but try it. Once done, it will look loads better than than cheaper grade plastic "metal trim-look" trim that some put in. Also will be much better than that "Cal-look." Unless, of course, that is the look you are trying to achieve. Good luck! John Zagreb, Croatia AM 5/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >When you buy new rubber seals for you windows, do they come with the metal >insert already in place? > >I'm assuming they don't and that you have to pull the old ones. Is there a >trick to doing this, both pulling them out and putting them in? > >It seems to be next to impossible to get them back in without destroying >them. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe