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I am very frustrated right now with the continued debate on the values of the T4 in a type 3...As to the hp debate...3 hp is not alot, but 15-50 ft/lbs of torque is! If nothing else, the owner can say, I DID IT!!! Let us cheer any one on for trying. Heck I even considered putting my Goldwing's water-cooled booxer in a Square...Here are some interesting things I have found out this week... The t4 block is 11% heavier than the t3...The completely dressed engine is only 5% heavier. If you have an early t3 in your ride, you don't need a rear hanger. If you have a late model, the rear type 4 hanger from the 1.8 and the 2.0 are easily adapted to the type 3. I had to fabricated a rear hanger into an early notch body to accommodate an auto and then rebuild the air boxes around it and it was not that difficult. Vader ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe