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Gotta agree with Big Al on this one....and I don't even own a Type34. I see no reason to exclude the T34 from the logo....except that it is harder to draw. 8^) VW considered the T34 a Type 3 just like they considered the Karmann Ghia and the Beetle Convertible and probably the Heb, too, as Type 1's. The chassis type was the distinguishing factor for VW and that is something the Fast, Square, Notch and T34 share. They are all just different body configurations, granted the Fast, Square and Notch share more common sheet metal. We should all be a big happy family and include the black sheep (T34) in the fold. Just my 3 cents. John (You can choose your friends, but not your relatives) Jaranson '71 FI Auto Fasty ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org