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it into second is to slow way way down.but by then i am almost >>>I don't know what everyone else will say, but a person I consider to be fairly wise in the ways of VW's said to never 'downshift to decelerate' in an aircooled VW. It's true my brakes work famously, but I've not downshifted since that long ago day. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org