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someone on the bus list had this same response. I guess they got tired of all the requests for birth certificates. Anyways about the names. I'm guessing your name's pronounced shroder (like the piano player in the peanuts comic strip or that ricky kid from silver spoons), but it's spelled Shroeder? The American translation for the o with the umlaut (2 dots) over it is "oe". Both spellings are pronounced the same way (almost like schrewder....as in more shrewd), but the oe spelling is for typewriters/programs/keyboards that dont have the umlaut function. I hope I remember my High school german lessons correctly Matt 71 Notch 71 Square ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/