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In a message dated 1/28/99 4:00:19 PM PST, TopNotchResto@worldnet.att.net writes: << I cant imagine anyone trying! You jsut dont drive the darkside cars in the winter, where there is snow. the lowered stance and puny tires are an invitation to get stuck or go off the road >> You do in California that why "Darkside " VW's are sometimes called "Cal Style" Lisa 1963 Suicide door Sunroof Notch ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org