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Wow, good question...we were afraid this day would come...when you would be old enough to understand the complexities of life, your wallet bubbling with new hormones and you begin to notice the opposite...side. Well, that's a difficult definition because Darkness isn't always just skin deep, sometimes you have to look inside to find it. Generally, a Dark Side VW is one that has been modified outside the stock boundaries. A 1641cc engine in an otherwise stock car would be a Dark Sider, albeit more in the shade of grey than black. Personally, a Dark Sider to me is a car that is REALLY modified in most obvious ways but a purist my feel that dropping a set of electronic points in a stock vehicle qualifies it as Dark. If you feel the modifications/alterations/changes/deviations-from-stock/you-get-the-point that you've done qualify you as Dark then take the compliment, er, label; we can always use another comrade :) Toby "There are many shades of grey but only one Dark" Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com <-- Please use this address for email '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L, Berg five-speed '75 Porsche 914 1.8L, ORPCA member '95 VW Jetta GL 2.0L, boringly bone-stock Portland, Oregon, http://www.pobox.com/~toby_erkson/ -----Original Message----- What I would like to clarify is when does a VW be a Dark Side VW. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org