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look at representative cars in the shows.. the doors dont always fit well, yea its a pain. I must have opened and shut one guys door a hundred times at one show... he really looked at me strange, but try dealing with a 65 notch where the lower hinges are completely rusted OFF. and these are in-the-piller hinges! be patient.. it took alot of fitting but Im happy with the results. Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/