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I believe that Euro spec lenses always had amber turn portions, whereas US spec lenses had (were required, SAE, don't ya know) to have a red turn signal portion late into the '70's, probably for the same reason that US autos were required to have round headlights long after it was shown that square lamps threw a better pattern (I don't know the real answer to either question, other than perhaps 'cuz we didn't think of it first) Nowadays, alot of US cars have amber turn signals to the rear, although it is still illegal to have any color other than red for a brake light (watch out, all you blue dot people) in the US. I had to sign a DOT affidavit attesting to the fact I would "never" use the Euro lenses I bought from T-3 Detectives in GB because they were "illegal" (I'm *still* not using them, in case anyone is looking over my shoulder reading this). As for Type III tail lights, I've seen (early) flat Euro's, flat all reds, "long" Euros's-I've been told that these are all repros- and "long" all reds, like the ones found on all early US Type III's. Late model Type III's (and Ghias, FTM) will take either US or Euro spec lenses, and I've also heard that European Type III'ers lust for all red lenses, too. As for Big Al's trivia question- I believe the only difference in the two lenses appears to be the reflective "X" patterned insert on either side about half way up. Please donate my prize to the "Save the Big Bumpered Notches" Wildlife Fund. Thank you, David "when in doubt, go to the garage and dig 'em out" Walters '73 1600 L Notchback, with by the way, Euro spec tail light lenses, S. FL, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org