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In a message dated 98-07-10 23:39:02 EDT, you write: << These hoses are a perfect example of something with little or no real benefit that can still be sold to an unsuspecting and uninformed consumer since they incorporate a few magic words, in this case Teflon and Stainless Steel are the magic words. Think about it. When was the last time you had a problem with corrosion in your flexible brake lines; when was the last time you felt that your flex hoses either had too much friction or deteriorated in too short a time. I find a 20-30 year lifetime quite acceptable, and it is by no means clear that the Teflon hoses will do better.>> Jim, I first got into the stainless steel flex lines with my 914. I mail ordered them for about $60 a set based on the claim of a firmer pedal. Boy, were they right! The braking on this car improved considerably. The teflon core tubing wrapped in the stainless steel mesh has virtually zero expansion under pressure. The "feel" of the brake pedal is amazing..... full travel (with all your might) went from 2 inches to about 1/2 inch! I immediately bought another set for my wife's 914 and got the same results. I also installed a set on my '67 Westy with an equal reduction in travel and increase in feel, so I assume that the effect is the same on both disk and drum set-ups. And these lines DO NOT require adapters. The only reason I haven't put them on my other cars is the price ($15-$20 each versus about $6-$8 each for the standard). For the performance crowd, the effect is well worth the extra money. My $.02. Mike