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> well here is the story. i have a notchback that has had its front > clip and pan replaced some years back. the vin number on the current pan > is from a 64. the supposedly original vin number from the original pan > is also from a 63. the person i bought it off of swears it is a 65. to > make things worse the title has it registered as a 65 but the vin number > matches a 64. how is that for a mess!! i have heard vw sometimes stamped > the date on certain parts throughout the car. true or false?? is there > any way i can determine what year my car is??? The year of your car is determined by its VIN. I believe there are only two VINs on the car in your era: stamped on the top of the pan tunnel under the back seat, and stamped on a silver tag in the trunk.. If they match there is no question. If they don't match most DMVs go with the number on the pan. I believe it is standard procedure in a case like this to look at this car and take the point of view that it is an original pan that has had a few body parts replaced. In later years the VIN was also put on the dash and inside the drivers side door jamb. I don't think there are any other places. Jim - ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************