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Yep, you had it right the first time...people keep talking about Bill and Steve's, but I think T3Ds are the ones with the real audacity here. I've never dealt with them because their prices are so ridiculous. I bet for 2/3 of the cost they charge for any given part you could have the thing professionally fabricated. I've been fortunate enough to find a lot of needed stuff in the B&S "Bargain" bin (check out their website for sale deals)...like a $25 complete carpet set, $50 set of complete T-3 upholstery, etc...not to mention that they often have hard-to-find parts like the automatic tranny vac. modulator. In the future, however, I'll make sure I'm talking to either Bill or Steve...if I one of their underlings would've insulted my late model fasty he might've found himself searching for a new set of tires (no doubtedly with 1" sidewall to fit the Borbet Type C's he bought for his Golf GL-turned-GTI-lookalike) for his ride. You should've laid him out right there (verbally)...if I received that treatment over the phone from a pimply-faced high school kid I would've had to say something like: "Excuse me, did I call 'F * ckups'? If I called 'F * uckups' I'd expect to talk to you...but since I called 'Bill & Steve's' I suggest you put one of them on the phone." OK ok...just venting a little mid-day angst ;-) -Doug 69 auto square (for sale - pics available soon) 73 fasty (definitely not a dime-a-dozen) 98 NB douglas_brashear@mail.amsinc.com "I'm the back door santa...I make my rounds about the break of day. I keep all the girlies happy while their men are out to play." - Clarence Carter To: type3@vwtype3.org cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: [T3] Gravel Guards In case anyone else has tried to find this URL: Web site: HTTP://www.wildhq.demon.co.uk/t3d This is for the Type 3 Detectives I emailed them about their repro gravel guards (I believe they are Stainless) "Price on the gravel guards is 85 pounds plus V.A.T." By my calculations this works out to about $144 - is this right? Are these guys makin' money? Wow. Or did I do the math backwards, and this would be $50? Phillip "I'll just repaint for that price" Bradfield - Portland, Oregon '63 Notchback w/ 68 pan '69 Squareback chopped 3" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe