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On 12 Dec 98, at 0:19, Stan Schaefer wrote: > Berg supposedly ships welded-in-place heater box tubes on their > headers, but I've only seen T1s, not TIIIs. If you don't use the > stock elbows, you lose the cool-air input to the body thermostats for > the heater duct work and also the pressure air connection to the > charcoal canister. I used the Berg extractors for many years, throught two different manufacturers (Four-Tuned and Phoenix), they both provided steel ducts to make that connection. This is by far the way to go if you want an extractor exhaust. These steel ducts attach after the OE elbows, so you don't lose any functionality there. Eventually I stopped using the Quiet Power exhausts because I just couldn't keep them sealed as well as the OEM exhausts, but the OEM mufflers are getting harKõÿäharder to find. Jim - ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA ******************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org