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well my rubber mat is perfect but the (what looks like sound dampening stuff) stuff under it is a different story. lets just say it comes up with the engine lid. im thinking of replacing it with some sound dampening stuff due to noise (i can hear the engine way more than i want too). jimi polivka '73 square ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org