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Yeah, but that was the A#$#@%$ at the Sears tire department that gave me grief. So what happened was the jerk clerk at Sears told me that 195's will absolutly not work on my car. I knew they would having had them on my fastbacks centerlines. So I let ú¶" tall 195 60 series(to big for my lowered ride). Those 60 series rubbed so bad! Anyway I made sure I rubbed those bastards good before I returned them! They were so pissed and they couldnt do a dahm thing, cause these were the ones that should fit(so they thought!!!) Long story short I bought the killer priced GoodYear 195's at Sears and had the allways awsome guys at Discount Tire install them(as Sears still refused). About three years ago and still lots of life in them. jason P.S. Matt did you get the front of the notch raised yet??? ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org