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type3-d-request@vwtype3.org wrote: > > Subject: > > type3-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 245 > > Today's Topics: > Re: VWT article [ "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.u ] > [T3] What color fir my Notch? [ D & L Walters <"Waltee "@prodigy.ne ] > RE:[T3] What color fir my Notch? [ BUFFBAUD@aol.com ] > Re: [T3] What color fir my Notch? [ Sonny8oy@aol.com ] > [T3] Type III parts FS [ Jake Kooser <jake_k@ibm.net> ] > Re: [T3] car won't start [ jadney@vwtype3.org ] > Re: [T3] Type 3 front torsion arm re [ jadney@vwtype3.org ] > Re: [T3] Spark plug leads [ jadney@vwtype3.org ] > [T3] Tubes on bottom of air distribu [ "The Rubber Ranch" <theranch@island ] > Re: [T3] What color fir my Notch? [ "Steven W. Janninck" <SJannick@ix.n ] > Re: [T3] Tubes on bottom of air dist [ Sonny8oy@aol.com ] > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: VWT article > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:15:59 +0100 > From: "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk> > To: "Steven Ayres" <comwest@well.com>, <type3@vwtype3.org> > > I reckon the main problem is the shortage of mechanics out there who > are confident of fixing a FI T3. My local independent VW specialist > is terrified of them, and I guess if he charged me several hours of > work to sort it out, I'd be terrified of it too. As it happens, I > only go there for advice and the occasional service item, since he > doesn't really hold much stock for my 25+ year-olds. I even got a > phone-call from the emergency tow-company for advice on a FI fault > they were trying to fix by the roadside. Don't know yet if I was > any help, though! > > Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Ayres <comwest@well.com> > To: type3@vwtype3.org <type3@vwtype3.org> > Date: 22 August 1998 01:15 > Subject: Re: VWT article > > >That article was aimed primarily at us, the T3 enthusiasts. A lot > of T3 > >folk are unconnected to clubs or any experienced information, and > could > >easily be taken in by the VWT rap. It's as blatant an attempt at > >self-serving disinformation as I've ever seen in the magazines, and > it > >pisses me off on behalf of those who don't know any better. > > > snipped > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [T3] What color fir my Notch? > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:08:06 -0500 > From: D & L Walters <"Waltee "@prodigy.net> > To: Type III mailing list <type3@vwtype3.org> > > Hello everyone in T-3 land, I have a question for you all. Just got what > I believe to be the "final" word on the original colors for my > Notchback, the birth certificate had said "72 72 15". Subsequent probing > into the cyberworld (much thanks to Dave Hall for this) has uncovered > that the "72 72" in '73 meant an Agate Brown mtetallic body and roof, > which is what the Notch had (has) under the Alpine White it is (now). > The dash and fender wells are already this shade of brown, which I kinda > like. However, the "15" as I am to understand, indicates a blue interior > (hey, I don't understand it either) which it is *still* been having. > I always chocked it up to an off-the-shelf, take it or leave it > re-upholstry job, but there may be some basis for it. Now that I'm > finally restoring it, what do you all think I should do? I mean, I can > A- go for the strictly by the #'s resto and end up with a metallic brown > over blue, correct car (and suffer the subsequent snickering and finger > pointing as people laugh at my color blind attempt at aesthetica, all > the while as I whine about how it *is* correct, can't you see?), or > B- go for something a little less 1970's, maybe Alpine White over a nice > brown upholstry, with an Agate Brown dash and wheel accents and a salt > and pepper carpet(my personal fav)? > I've got some time to decide about what to do, I've only stripped all > the chrome and dash parts off her and id'ed them and stored them away, > but it's something to think about. Half of me says to go for the > *correct* colors as it will lend itself to the quality of the the car > (you know what they say about first, last, and any oddballs in the > middle), and half of me says to go for the colors that I like (and it's > also the opinion of my "better half", if you catch my drift) as I'm > doubtful that I'll ever sell it, and as it takes two people to make a > classic car and I haven't found that other person yet, I doubt I'll ever > make enough to retire on from it. The crux of the biscuit is, what > would my fellow listee's do? I would appreciate any and all input. > Thanks again, > David Walters > '73 1600 L Notchback > '89 Ford Aerostar (heretofore known as the "Ecstacy", as it burst into > flames the other day as we were driving home) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE:[T3] What color fir my Notch? > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:38:30 EDT > From: BUFFBAUD@aol.com > To: : type3@vwtype3.org (Type III mailing list) > > I agree with your better half (maybe cause I'm a woman too) If you don't plan > on selling your Notch, just paint it any ole color you want! personally I > picked a color from the 98 Dodge and It's being painted next week! > > Lisa Mitchell > '63 Sunroof suicide door Notch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] What color fir my Notch? > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:43:02 EDT > From: Sonny8oy@aol.com > To: type3@vwtype3.org > > don't do the brown.... > and i can't think that the blue interior would be much better > > sonny > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [T3] Type III parts FS > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:50:17 -0400 > From: Jake Kooser <jake_k@ibm.net> > To: Type III mailing list <type3@vwtype3.org>, Patti <vwpatti@aol.com> > > Hey Volks, I just found out today that a good source of some Type III > parts is getting ready to go away. Patti, the owner of the local VW > junkyard here in South Fl, has told me that within a few weeks she will > have to "get rid" of her entire yard. I was there today and saw 12 rear > and 9 front T-3 fenders ready to go, already off the cars - various > condition, but most of them good. 2 late T-3 hoods, one early one > labelled "early notch" also spotted several squareback rear hatches, all > looked good. There's a stack of doors there I think some were T-3, but > I didn't go through them very much. There are also 3 (if I remember > correctly) late squarebacks, and an early fastback still mostly complete > available. I'm not sure what's available in the engine department or > transaxles - I know there are several bits available, and I'll check on > fuel injection parts later this week. > > I'm willing to take a "digital camera tour" of the stuff that's > available for anyone that's interested, and if there's sufficient > interest, I may end up buying the lot of Type III parts, rather than see > them get crushed, and obviously wasted. I've got a storage place lined > up, so it's a definite possibility. > > I don't have prices, but e-mail Patti with your price quote requests or > give her a call at (954)583-8499 / pager (954)220-5481 > > Jake Kooser > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] car won't start > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:40:07 +0000 > From: jadney@vwtype3.org > To: type3@vwtype3.org > > > We drove it and let it run for a few minutes, > > but when I turned it off it would not start again. > > > We jumped it again, and this time it started right away, with no > > revving of the GTi. This time we let it sit and idle for a good > > hour while we attempted to install a lovely non-fitting aftermarket > > antenna on the 71 notch. When I turned off the square after an hour > > of running, it had no power again > > A generator puts out nothing of use at idle, so letting the car idle > for an hour just ran down the battery. Any lead/acid battery loses > charge in storage and it can be hard to restore. Put a charger on > it. Do NOT put it on the "fast" or "quick" or "high" setting; you > want a trickle of current for several days. If the battery has > removable cell caps, make sure the water is up to the correct level > in each cell; top up with distilled water if they are low. > > Don't get in a hurry. If you are in a hurry, buy a new battery, or > use one that has not been allowed to run down for months. > > Jim > - > Jim Adney > temporarily away from home > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Type 3 front torsion arm replacement and bushes/needle > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:40:08 +0000 > From: jadney@vwtype3.org > To: type3@vwtype3.org > > > On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:34:46 +0000, you wrote: > > > Jim I dont know its the shocks it's still riding on the bumb stops > > and you can move the front end up and down, Could the bars be > > wornout. > > They don't "wear out", but they could be broken. If they are broken > then if you look underneath you might see that one or both lower > trailiing arms is working its way sideways out of the axle beam. > > > If I was to unbolt the shocks and the front end not move up from the > > current position / not come to its normal height would you say that > > torsion bars have lost their tension. > > Yes, this is a good first test. Did your car suddenly change or did > you buy it this way? In other words, is it possible that a PO > lowered the front end intensionally? > > Jim > - > Jim Adney > temporarily away from home > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Spark plug leads > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:57:56 +0000 > From: jadney@vwtype3.org > To: type3@vwtype3.org > > > Can you still get those red rubber boots, Jim? I found a set on the > > Fastback, but mostly rough. I did get a set from the autojumble > > later, too. There's nothing worse than that misty morning - damp > > after cold - that produces the churning-without-starting sound. > > Last time I tried they were still avail from VW. Write me again > l\next week and I will be home and can give you a part number. they > were somewhat expensive. > > Jim > - > Jim Adney > temporarily away from home > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [T3] Tubes on bottom of air distributor (FI) > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:04:28 -0700 > From: "The Rubber Ranch" <theranch@island.net> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > > Hi! > I have a 1971 Fastback with FI. > I just bought some stuff at the wreckers a little while ago, including an > air distribution body (is that the correct name? it's the thing with the 4 > really big tubes that go to the intake manifolds). Anyhow, there are 2 tubes > coming from the bottom of it that don't get mentioned by the (Haynes) > manual, or in other diagrams I have looked at. Any idea what these are for? > I put a picture online if you want to see what it looks like: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/6611/question/question.html > (Notice how I was a good little boy and didn't post the picture to the > newsgroup? ;) > > Thanks! > -Nico > > 1971 Fastback (ok, it's my wife Naomi's, but she lets me look at it once in > a while) > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/6611 - I'm hoping to have my site > updated with the T3 restoration soon too :) right now it just has the > 'before' pictures. No after pictures yet, in case you're wondering ;) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] What color fir my Notch? > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:10:09 -0500 > From: "Steven W. Janninck" <SJannick@ix.netcom.com> > To: Waltee@pimout1-int.prodigy.net, "type3@vwtype3.org" <type3@vwtype3.org> > > Hello D & L Walters , > > I have a similar situation in front of me with the restoration of my 71 > Notch. Initially I didn't care much for the color of the car when I got my > hands on it. I asked the local VW Club members what my next best to original > color should be. The answer that I got from more than one person was to find > all the available colors for the exterior and interior for the year of > production of the car and chose a stock original combination that best fits > your preferences. By going with a paint and interior combo that was > representative of the year and type of car, and maybe not what is actually > on the birth certificate, is better that just shooting it any color under > the sun when trying to be somewhat original. This is just my two cents, but > I hope it helps. There is one more thing to remember, and that is that it > has been known that VW did make mistakes in documenting the color schemes on > some cars so you may have one of those rare ones, which could make your > Notch even more rare than it already is. > > Hope I Helped Some Steve. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Tubes on bottom of air distributor (FI) > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:03:45 EDT > From: Sonny8oy@aol.com > To: type3@vwtype3.org > > the one on the top right of the photo goes to the pressure sensor (under the > rear floor at the left) by some fuel line. > > the one on the bottom left of the photo goes straight back with a piece of > fuel line about 6" long to a small thingy that is coming out of the block (the > horizontal connection). > > sonny > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/ > > [T3] Tubes on bottom of air distributor (FI) Nico, That's a sharp picture of your T3 intake air distributor. The right one goes to your Pressure Sensor with a 9mm hose. The bottom one goes to your auxilary air regulator that uses the old mechanical fuel pump mounting (on your engine block)to warm up (fast idle equivalent) your car when needed. This "air regulator" has another hose intake which connects to the top of your air cleaner, a lot of vacum can be sensed at the air cleaner side when your engine is cold and should not affect idle if disconnected,air cleaner side, when warm. Also, not be confused with the 12mm hose that goes from the oil breather to the air cleaners fresh air intake. Finally, the air regulator's changed from '70 on, prior to '70 it also housed air temperatrue sensor #2. The air regulator used by the automatics is completely different and uses a blocking plate with a support. The regulator sits on this mounting and is essentially a bi-metal spring. Both rotate as the engine warms up and shuts off the air coming in from the top of the air cleaner when proper engine temperature is reached. A defective air regulator causes idle surging when it's damaged. Dave Dave