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Short answer: Quite possibly. Long answer: That depends, do you have a wind tunnel? :) I cannot give a concrete answer, but from what I've read (and John, PLEASE step in anytime!) a squared-off vehicle, like a Squareback or Bus, would benefit with a longer rear valence. From what I remember, adding a tail to the top helps as well. The tail would be located at the very rear edge, like where the rear rain gutter is, and it would need to be short in height and somewhat triangular (no basket-handles, okay?!). tail --> /^\ top of car / | ______________/_ _ \ <-- front | | Making the rear valance longer is beneficial to a point. Too long and it will interfere with driving, like scraping on ramped surfaces or acting like a snowplow in the winter (don't laugh, this happened to the Porsche 914 and the engineers to design a different one!). Like I said, I know from personal experience in my own lab (Squareback zipping along at 80mph with a small oil leak) that the stock skirt (valance) works as intended! To gain more aerodynamic efficiency you would want to include side skirts and an air dam (also known as a front spoiler). We are lucky that the surfaces of the car are rounded and this helps out...funny how manufacturers are going back to the rounded style after many years of making sharp, angular bodies (with higher drag factors). Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com <-- Please use this address for email responses '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L, ORPCA member Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Rear skirt aerodynamics Author: Heads Together Systems - Steve Farmer [SMTP:hts@hts.com.au] at MSXGATE Date: 4/1/98 7:17 PM Toby Erkson wrote... [snip] >;). But, as John J. and I know, and by my personal experience, you should >have that apron there. It helps reduce the lower vortices that occur back >there and this lowers the vehicles coefficient of drag. Does this mean that if we have a custom removable rear skirt, made of fibreglass i assume, that we could make it even deeper and gain more aerodynamic efficiency? Regards, Steve Farmer