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yea.. I'm tired of this too! I'm gonna go with stock 165-15's.. the Mich XZX is avail at $84ea and the Good Years go from there up to $109ea I need all 4 for both cars so $$ is a problem Now coopers, Dunlops, BF goodrich are all out of the running as they have all gone square on me in the past but my Question is: Any OTHER reccomendations?? I can get an unmarked Michelin for $46.. is it worth twice that amount for the XZX when the unmarked one has a TW of 300 as opposed to the XZX's TW of only 240?? Sigh! Keith parkkj@crd.ge.com