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He didn't give any specific information about name brands, just saying that they are all inaccurate (to what degree he didn't say). It's my understanding that the sensor needs to be at the spark plug -- at the head would give a different reading. Put the sensor collar at the base of the spark plug and them screw in the spark plug. That way the sensor will be right on top of the cylinder head/spark plug and give you a more accurate reading. On the FI vehicles the head temp sensor is actually screwed in to the head (and replacing that sensor on a 914 is possible in an hour but it's a bitch!). If your block is a FI one then you could get a sensor to screw in the boss already there. However, I *think* you wouldn't be able to use your current setup -- you'd need to get some other temp gauge that's calibrated to the sensor that would fit the boss, sayyyy maybe one from a Porsche 914 (VW T4 FI block and they did have oil and engine temp kits...). Also, I believe the general understanding for most gauges (except those expensive ones) is to use them as an indicator and not as an absolute. You say your temp averages 200F then that's what you monitor *your* engine with. Should the gauge read 265F on a hot day whilst you're toodling up a steep incline you would say to yourself, "HOLY HOTHEADS, Batman, I'm overheating my engine and better pull over ASAP!". The head stud may actually be hotter but that doesn't *really* matter since your meter shows a dramatic difference from the norm. That's pretty much how I use my VDO oil pressure gauge. I believe it to be pretty accurate (well, the sender does the actual reading) for oil pressure and it doubles as an engine temp indicator as well. When the pressure reading is lower than what it is 'normally' for the given environment conditions then I know that my baby is running a little hotter than her 'norm' (and engine timing can really make a difference in the fine tuning!). Toby Erkson, air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: gauges Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 9/24/97 4:46 PM ... AAR, about the thread going on about VDO's, could Toby E. possibly tell me what Gene B. said about temp. gauges? I have a VDO's in mine and I'm not really thrilled about the temps its giving (~200 degrees F. at the head stud, and that seems a little on the low side, doesn't it?) and I'm wondering if I'm missing something here. Thanks again. David Walters '73 1600 L Notch S. FL, USA