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Damn Kenik, take a chill pill, damnnnn :) The conversation was about automatics, not manuals. Also, towing any vehicle in which it is touching the ground will cause wear, plain and simple. The vehicle's rolling suspension doesn't suddenly become friction-free once the engine stops turning! Wear is wear and I have a physics book to throw at any one who disagrees. That's cool your Fastback is still in the family. My parents were the original owners of my baby. However, she's been off-road a lot (many family camping trips and college excursions) and I'm not a grandpa driver so I've replaced all of the joints at one time or another (no slop allowed). My mileage is over 350k, put on mostly by me! Oh yeah, I've DRIVEN from Oregon to South Carolina and back (in three days going over, about five coming back). Geez, after traveling through Kansas I think I would've re-enlisted if I lived there...(sorry Kansas, not my type of the country). Toby Erkson, air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Towing a T3 Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 10/29/97 5:19 PM Guys, quit whimpering about towing your type 3. Trust me, I know better than probably everyone on this whole damn news list what it's like to tow a type 3. My fastback was towed via bumper bar from California to North Carolina through the South (over 3000 miles I might add) back in 1980. Then after various moves the car was towed from Texas to Georgia. Then from Georgia to Kentucky. Then from Kentucky back to California. THEN from California to sunny Washington. The moral of this story? Towing a Type 3 will harm it no way WHATSOEVER. The damn joints on the car have never been replaced! The car has over 300,000 documented miles, my dad being the original owner, and I just sank some serious bucks into it restoring it. I didn't even touch anything to do with rolling wear and tear because there was nothing to touch. Just when you tow, make sure it's out of gear, and the wheel is unlocked. There, I said it. Let's put this pitiful controversy to rest and talk about something cool like stroker motors. Kenik Hassel 71 fastback