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Well, I wouldn't exactly consider this T3 material, but since you asked... Due to the dangers of forest fires (they concern us in Oregon as well) I don't think it was a bad thing to call the jerk in. Every car I've ever seen comes with an ash tray so there's really no excuse to litter and be the possible catalyst for a fire. Saw your explanation on removing the transaxle from a 914 without removing the engine -- thanks, I may end up using that one day. Toby Erkson, air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Stupid bone head! >:cI Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 9/30/97 6:03 PM As I was driving home from work (oh about 20 minutes ago), I was behind this Ford Tempo (kinda beat up looking). Heading east on Highway 78 (for those that know the area), I noticed that the driver was a smoker and was flicking ashes as he drove (I still don't understand this ... is his ash tray full?!?). He took one last puff from the cancer stick and then flicked it off onto the side of the freeway!!! ...