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Yes, it is cheaper since it doesn't need to have the groove AND there's no need to include the chrome strip. The Cal Look actually has been around longer than a fad -- it is truly a style. Cal Look seals will indeed devalue a car if you are trying to create a pure stock vehicle. If you don't care about stock, eh, no loss. I'm not crazy about chrome and think there's too much on many cars as it is (Porsches are a good example of chrome usage -- low to none!). How to get the stock seals w/chrome strip? Create a demand because each dollar is a drop of oil to the business engine. Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L modified to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 stock 1.8L ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Windows and Racks Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 2/3/97 11:21 AM Anyone know what started the CAL look thing anyway?? is it that much cheaper to produce the window rubber without the groove cut?? It seems to me that OE repros would be easier to get than something different but in our VW world the opposite seems true. We cant seem to get the original look repro's any more so everyone is going CAL look (for monetary reasons as well) but is this devaluing our cars in the future?? will the Fad pass as most do? In many other Antique car categories originality is much more stressed and the money goes to producing a repro as close to the original as possible. Just seems to me like finding a VW (not just T3) with the original look is getting pretty hard. My 2 cents too... Keith