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For gas heater info contact Ark Mirvis <heaterman@nac.net>. I see that he unsubscribed so you cannot contact him through this list. He sells and maintains gas heaters. They're priced about $600. He is German (from Germany), lives in New Jersey and worked as an electrical engineer. A gas heater will keep you extremely warm. The auxiliary heaters are either just fans to blow more air (this does not make the air any warmer, though) or, for the Type I, use the waste heat from the oil cooler. I have my doubts about these. Oil lines *inside* the vehicle? There's a messy accident just waiting to happen! How much waste heat will be available *in the winter* (clue: not very much, especially in very cold climates!). And, to make it more of a hassle, you have to reroute the oil cooler for use when the weather gets warmer. This is very sketchy as only the engine "knows" when it needs to use the cooler based upon the environmental conditions. My type three cents, Toby Erkson, air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Gas heaters Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE_MIME Date: 12/17/97 10:16 PM What does anyone think of gas heaters? Are they reliable? Will they keep me warm? I saw a add in a hot vws magazine for auxillary heater system(or something like that). I think it runs off the gas but i am not sure. Will these things heat up my car pretty quickly? If I did decide to get one, can you buy them used? Does anyone on the list have one for sale? Is there a way to get it cheaper than a 160 bucks? Hunter