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>From: stans4@ix.netcom.com >On the ones I saw, the spacer/shim was fastened in more or less permanently, at least it didn't move when I pulled the dist. drive out(what I was looking for in the first place). Went through more than one case, a lot of drive gears were in bad shape. Out of a stack of about 20 cases, I saw maybe 6 that had the thick shim. Of course, with the condition of those engines, maybe they'd gotten welded in there from no oil, I don't know. My experience with this is limited, because I have always feared dropping washers into the case, hence avoided doing this whenever possible. Nevertheless, I have done it several times and the washers have always stayed in the case (whew!) Those were all thin ones; I'm sure a thick one would be heavy enough to always stay put. If all yours stayed in the case, wouldn't it be hard to tell if they were the thick ones? Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Melissa Kepner Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org jadney@vwtype3.org Laura Kepner-Adney Madison, Wisconsin ---------------------------------------------------------------------