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T3 people, Further to the lifter and cam discussion, I have used both Eaton and genuine VW lifters on all my engines with satisfactory results every time, even with 2nd hand camshafts, like when I rebuilt the 'S' I kept the original camshaft which was still okay and not flat and used genuine VW lifters- beautiful! Another friend of mine has had one cam and lifter set gone flat, last year. Not sure why but the cam was a 2nd hand but hardly used Engle 130 and new genuine VW lifters. Didn't realy matter but... Berg also use Scat lifters sometimes too so don't believe all that you read from the house of Berg, ie- Berg is best! As for cams I heard something interesting a while back and I hope someone cam clarify this. Apparently engle, scat and the like are forged cams and the Bugpack cams are cast? Not sure about this one, any input anyone? I stick to Berg/Engle or genuine NOS VW so it doesn't matter to me, just curious. -- \|/ @ @ +-----------------o00-(_)-00o---------------------------------+ | Aaron Britcher 1964 1500 'S' Notchback | | <abritcher@ezinet.com.au> 1965 1500 'N' Variant Panel Van | | 1977 1776 T2 Panel Van 'Fridge' | | "If you can't say anything 1955 Pro Stock Body!?! \/ | | sensible, talk to me!" 1956 Black/Red 50K Oval \/\/ | +-------------------------------------------------------------+