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I think everyone has a valid point on the whole" how to set up the list " thing, but I think that it should be left as is. I joined the list in order to become informed on an interest that I have from the people that know, not those that think they know! I've learned a lot on the list already, and everyone seems genuine in there desire to help and their interest in what others say, and I hope it stays that way. If I had more to contribute I would, but the fact is I'm new to all this (the aircooled thing) so I just read and learn and when my SP2 is done, your fingerprints will be all over it. The point I am trying to get across is that there are a lot of people on the list for so many different reasons, and if you want to improve it that's great , but lets keep it in the same context, not an open list full of the unworthy (non-aircooled owners) Keep the mail coming and the VW's running Matthew Slattery 75 SP2