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BOB2TYPE3S@aol.com wrote: > I've double checked the connections, and wires and relays, and >they're good / connected correct / and have continuity. About the only thing I >haven't tried is grounding the relay terminal to see if the front relay will >energize, although I suspect that grounding wire #19 does this. :O > > As I learned last week, it seems effectively the same. I guess you could try grounding terminal 85 directly at the relay to rule out anything specifically with the relay. Would it be the case that pin 19 at the ECU should be continuous to ground during intial startup and then cut out 1.5-2 seconds later, and be continuous to ground during normal operation? Is it possible that pin 19 at the ECU connector might just be loose? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~