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There is A LOT Of play in where the bumpers will be, even if they've never been hit. I like the lights idea as they are not likely to float around much during assy, Keith I think I used page 2 that used the center of the lights, top of the bumpers, those dimensions. I realise that they won't totally work for his 71, but they could be used on his 65. : ) Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof and IRS (Krusty) 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 and now running the old Notch motor with D-jet FI . : ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~