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Re: [T3] Pop Starting Fuel Injection...

On 18 Aug 2006 at 19:55, J. Jonik wrote:

> In all the years I've had, and worked on, Type 3s, I
> don't know the rap on Pop Starting when battery
> drained (too much?) by leaving the radio on for 3
> days.

> 1) Didn't think a radio, w/ no lights etc, could
> drain a battery so car wouldn't start. Not even a
> glimmer of energy on key turn. Not even horn or light
> worked.

A radio might draw 1 A or a bit less. 3 days is 72 hours, so that's 
something like 70 A-hrs. Our batteries are rated at 45 A-hrs, so this 
is certainly possible.  

> 2) Tried to roll and pop start...nothing.

Even if you don't need the starter, you still need enough battery to 
generate a spark (and possibly run the FI.) Most of the time there is 
enough juice to do this, if you don't also have to run the starter, 
but if the battery's really dead, then it still won't start.

> 3) A friend gave a battery jump and off it went,
> running like a top. All ok. Did about three or four
> miles and, after parking (on a slope)...had to pop
> start, which worked that time.

You had enough charge to run the ignition and the FI.

>  Is it that at a certain point, there's not enough
> juice to work the elec fuel pump? Pop Starts
> impossible then?


> After letting it run awhile at home, it starts now
> on its own. Battery registering in the middle range
> at last check.

Running at idle probably won't do anything useful, but a long trip 
should do it. The best is actually a slow trickle charge, overnight, 
or several days.

When the engine is running at medium RPM you should check the system 
voltage at the fuse box. It should be above 13.5 V. If it is not, 
then you have a problem that needs to be fixed. It could be a bad 
connection, but it is most likely a worn out voltage regulator. 
Replace it with a Bosch 30-019.

Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA

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